[personal profile] milo6456
It's sort of funny that I've become evil!bitch!Justin!hater! Yeah, definitely funny. While it certainly doesn't feel good to be hated on by anyone, at least I can take solace in the fact that I can't stand the people who are hating on me.

I met some super cool people this past weekend. I had great times with a great friend, I swam in the Atlantic ocean, I cheered on both the Daze and the Knights at their events. However, I did have some disappointments. I chose to "speak out" on some of them and it's rubbed some people the wrong way.

Granted, these are people who get rubbed very easily. They are also people who think that everyone is out to get Justin. Poor guy. Good thing he's got folks like that on his side.

Let's get some things straight, though. I am not now, nor have I ever been a Justin hater. I think he's really fucking talented, he was born to perform, his CD kicks serious ass, he loves his bandmates and he works very, very hard.

This weekend, he thanked people for coming out and supporting CFTC, for giving their time and money to charity. And, yet, he failed to do the same. Yes, he did participate in the skills challenge and play in the basketball game. But he did not show up for all of the scheduled events. That ticked me off.

So, I made a sign. To be honest, the wording on the sign wasn't even my idea, but I thought it was brilliant. I won't say whose it was, of course, because then that person would get shit too. At any rate, my sign was double-sided. One side read: "JUSTIN, WE SUPPORT CFTC - DO YOU?" The other side read: "I PAID $250 TO BE A V.I.P. (VERY IGNORED PERSON)."

The party wasn't worth $250. It just wasn't. We were told it would happen one way and God help me, I believed it would. Call me naive, but that's not a crime. It's also not a crime to express my disappointment.

As for the Justin side of the sign, there were four parties over the weekend and he didn't show up at one of them. He may have been sick, but it still would have been nice of him to make an appearance. Chris had a head cold - heard straight from his mother's mouth - but still managed to attend.

It's pretty well known that I love Lance to little tiny bits and pieces. However, if he had been the one absent from all the parties, my sign would have been directed at him. For the record, I was pissed that JC left the skills challenge early and I was starting to be pissed when Lance didn't show up with the rest of his team for the second half of the basketball game (he eventually DID show, which is why I only started to get pissed).

Perhaps that means I'm too easily angered, but it doesn't mean that I hate Justin. Period.

Date: 2003-07-23 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tortugagypsy.livejournal.com
I say?

Fuck 'em.

You know what I think on this subject so I won't bore you again. [[[hugs]]] will suffice. :)

Date: 2003-07-23 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ai. People suck. I loved your sign.

Date: 2003-07-24 12:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] milo6456.livejournal.com
Thanks. I appreciate the support. :)

Date: 2003-07-24 12:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvscratches.livejournal.com
I just wanted to let you know that I never have and still do not think of you as someone who could be labeled as a "Justin hater." When I read your post about the sign I must admit that at first I was surprised, and then a bit bothered. Mostly, I just couldn't understand the motive behind it. Don't get me wrong, I can understand why you or anyone would be upset, especially if you feel you didn't get your money's worth by not getting what you were promised. Still, I personally do not think that Justin's "offenses" where that extreme. Meaning I don't think that they were worth not only making a sign ridiculing him specifically, to be seen at an event where he, his fans, and the press were, but also leaving it for him at his hotel room in case he didn't see it the first time. I think maybe there were other, less public ways you could have expressed your feelings. Like writing a letter to the CFTC explaining your dissatisfaction, or even writing a letter to Justin himself and leaving that at his hotel room.

I don't know, I guess I just wanted to share my feelings, for what it's worth. I'm sorry if it came off "preachy" or something like that. Feel free to delete this if for some reason you think it is inappropriate. Honestly, I don't want there to be any hard feelings, at all, because there aren't any on this end. Maybe a little confusion and some disagreement, but life would be boring if people agreed on everything. Really, you have every right to express what your thinking anytime, anywhere.

Date: 2003-07-24 08:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dnceforce.livejournal.com
I mentioned signs in one of my posts the other day. Those are signs that I actually saw. There was a girl not too far in front of me who had a sign that read: "We *heart Chris! Justin is a toolbag!" I was extremely offended by that sign and our section got NO love at all from any of the players. Not that I blame them for that.

I don't think you're a Justin hater. But I was disappointed in knowing you were the one with the sign. Don't get me wrong -- I understand the disappointment. You were told one thing and it didn't happen. I just don't agree with displaying such disappointment at the charity event. I didn't see your sign from where I was seated.

I don't think you hate Justin, I just happen to disagree with how you went about displaying your disappointment. There are going to be people who support you and those who don't. I don't think your disappointment is wrong. I would feel cheated if I'd spent that much money on false information too. (and, trust me, I've got some issues w/ those people... you know that. Grrr!) It's not wrong to want to believe what they told you. You should be able to believe them. But, hindsight is 20/20.

I am sorry that you didn't get your money's worth. And I'm very sorry that they told you something they had no business telling you because they couldn't make a guarantee like that. That was wrong of them.

This will all blow over in a couple weeks or so, so just hang in there. And, even though I disagree with the sign, I'm not hatin' on you.

Date: 2003-07-24 10:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smoothlikebutta.livejournal.com
I have to agree with Kendra. I don't think you are a Justin hater. I've read your journal and I don't see any of that sentiment. If I had paid that much to go to the party, Justin would have been the one I would have most wanted to see. Hence, I can understand people's disappointment. I just think it was poor taste displaying a sign (in front of the press, other fans, and the other NSYNCer's) questioning his support for CFTC when he was actually playing in the game.

It is true that they are big boys who don't need people coming to their defense. I highly doubt Justin is scarred by your sign or by the other girl's "Justin is a Tool Bag" sign. I also doubt that JC cried when that JJB girl told him he was ugly to his face. I am just disappointed in NSYNC fans in general.

Date: 2003-07-24 11:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ilovethebooti.livejournal.com
I also doubt that JC cried when that JJB girl told him he was ugly to his face.

Shut the fuck up! Some broad did that? Holy shit.

And yeah, I agree with everything you said, Ann. Doing something like that is hurtful and immature, especially at a charity event where Justin's family and friends were there in support.

I am just disappointed in NSYNC fans in general.

Boy, is that an understatement. I'd rather see Justin stay solo than go back to a group where it seems half of the fans hate his guts.

Date: 2003-07-26 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roxypop17.livejournal.com
Brig [dumbshh7] was the one that called him ugly but A) he didn't hear it B) she was drunk off her ass.

Date: 2003-07-24 08:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadiankracka.livejournal.com
I think people really need to deal. Justin is a big boy and can take care of himself, he doesn't need the fandom to back him up.

*hugs Em* You rock, baby.

Date: 2003-07-24 08:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ambsorion.livejournal.com
damn! you were at the VIP too? I was there! :) Wish I woulda known, maybe we coulda met...

And yes! to your Justin issues. Seriously, I was saying the same thing. Joey completely made that weekend what it was, since he was mingling the whole time at every place I was. And Lance mingled too, just not as much. :(

That's my 2 cents! :) Hope you had fun in Miami!
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Date: 2003-07-24 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] milo6456.livejournal.com
First of all, thank you for your reply. I appreciate you bringing your argument here, where I have a chance to reply. Although we won't ever see eye to eye on this, at least it's up for discussion. Thank you also for replying under your lj name, as opposed to anonymously. I respect that.

You say you love Lance: you think he's gonna be impressed that you wrote a sign insulting one of his closest friends?

I've seen this argument used a lot, not just in the case of what I did. And I've never really understood it. I wasn't trying to impress Lance or anyone else. I was trying to make a point.

Claiming you would have written the same sign if it had been Lance not attending doesn't make you fair or righteous, it makes you petty and bitter.

You're damn straight I'm bitter. If that makes me petty and rude as well, so be it.

What gets me is that you feel that Justin (or any of the guys, for that matter) "owes" you his presence, and take it as a personal insult when he doesn't appear.

What gets me is that people don't understand that they do owe me (and by "me," I really mean "us" - anyone who paid money for those events). They were advertised as *NSYNC hosted parties. It's not *NSYNC without Justin.

If you bought a pizza and it arrived without the cheese, wouldn't you be a little upset? You'd probably call the pizza place and complain or demand that they deliver another pizza. In this case, there's no one I can call to complain. So I made a sign.

So what he didn't appear, and the other guys spent the night cooped up in VIP? You think paying $250 entitles you to Nsync's undivided attention? Wake up, honey, and smell the exploitation.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that I expected their undivided attention. But, yes, I did expect them to show up. And I did expect them to not spend the majority of their time in VIP.

I also expected them not to say things like "Ma, what are you doing down here? The real VIP is upstairs." (Lance) and "How many more times do I have to do this?" (Joey). The thing is, if they'd just stayed downstairs, they wouldn't have had to do that at all. But, that's another argument entirely.

I'll admit that I would have been disappointed to have paid that amount of money and to not have seen Justin or JC or any of the others, but to write abusive messages and display them in public view is unfounded and inexcusable.

Abusive? Isn't that taking it a bit far? I'll accept rude, but not abusive.
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Date: 2003-07-25 10:59 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Actually, someone on the JJB did confront Melinda, and she screamed at them. Clearly, the complaints fell on deaf ears. To me, Em's sign was probably the best way to address the issue.

I think the fan club was to blame for promising shit they couldn't deliver. But Justin (and the others) still had a commitment to fulfill. Calling him on that doesn't make Em a hater. Just a disatisfied customer.

Date: 2003-07-25 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] navia.livejournal.com
To me, Em's sign was probably the best way to address the issue.

I can guarantee her sign was not taken seriously. Presentation aside, it didn't even specifically address her issues. A formal letter or a series of phone calls to the fan club or an official *Nsync representative would have been the prudent way to express distaste over the way things were handled.

I think the fan club was to blame for promising shit they couldn't deliver. But Justin (and the others) still had a commitment to fulfill.

Honestly, we don't know what the members of *Nsync were told. Celebrities do not have direct contact with their fan clubs and fan club newsletters. As I understand it, nowhere did it say specifically that all five members would be at all the sponsored parties or that all five members would mingle with the fans at these parties. If anyone feels they were misled by the fan club's announcement, then that should be taken up with the fan club, not with an individual member of *Nsync who most likely has no idea why people would be pissed off/upset.

Date: 2003-07-26 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ilovethebooti.livejournal.com
I also expected them not to say things like "Ma, what are you doing down here? The real VIP is upstairs." (Lance) and "How many more times do I have to do this?" (Joey). The thing is, if they'd just stayed downstairs, they wouldn't have had to do that at all. But, that's another argument entirely.

I think that is the main problem a lot of fans have. They have expectations when there is no signature on the dotted line that provides a guarantee that they expect. People meet the guys on the street and expect them to be nice just because they act that way on tv. They're people first. They get sick. They get angry. They don't want to be bothered sometimes. That's just how it is.

As [livejournal.com profile] navia and others have said, I don't think there was any written guarantee that all five would be there. I'm sure that was the plan, but shit happens. It's worth being disappointed about, but not worth being personally offended and stooping that low, imo.

Date: 2003-07-24 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] timberho.livejournal.com
I was going to make a long reply to this but I won't. All I am going to say is, we don't know the full story as to why Justin wasn't there. He didn't look well when I saw him in Orlando on the 15th. He could have been a lot sicker than what we know. I was more pissed at the VIP party that JC WAS there and didn't come down from the VIP room like the others did.

The sign was a little much in my opinion but to each their own.

Date: 2003-07-24 03:45 pm (UTC)
ext_21773: (oldschool)
From: [identity profile] village.livejournal.com
I don't agree with what you did. But I definitely don't hate you.

See Em, I'm disappointed in you but I'm not going make a hateful post about you to express my disappointment. Because I think there are ways to go about things and I don't agree with yours.

I don't want to hurt your feelings but I have to say it. To me, it's not what the signs said, it's your approach to the whole thing. What you did was rude and I don't think it was courageous at all. You made a sign and put it in front of a door and if Justin saw it he thought "another random fan hates me". I think that's pretty cowardly, not courageous at all.

I like you Em, but I don't have to agree or respect what you did. Anyway, it'll blow over and JC or Justin or whomever will do something sparkly and all will be well. So yeah. heh.

Date: 2003-10-13 11:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kt-senorita.livejournal.com
can you email me your snail mail address?

My email is QuackyDuck31@aol.com

..I am getting everyone's address for Xmas cards. ;)


Make sure to include your LJ name. Thanks! ;)

Hey Emsy Bims!

Date: 2003-10-20 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anann73.livejournal.com
It looks like you don't post in this thing much but that's okay. I just got one so add me to your friends list. You're on mine. :)


Date: 2003-11-01 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kt-senorita.livejournal.com
make sure to add [livejournal.com profile] pop_upperclass as a friend, right now you are only listed as a member!

Date: 2003-11-01 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] superkaty.livejournal.com

I'm a mod at [livejournal.com profile] pop_upperclass and [livejournal.com profile] kt_senorita just asked me to make sure everyone who's a member has added the community to their friends list. HERE (http://www.livejournal.com/friends/add.bml?user=pop_upperclass) is the direct link to add the community as a friend. If you could do that we would be forever grateful. Thanks!

Date: 2004-08-14 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] -gone-celebrity.livejournal.com
Hey! Its Khara.

You commented to my LJ to add you for Joey in Little Shop talk. ;) [I renamed my journal, used to be Bitchy_Brunette.]

Anyways, please add me to this name!! ;) Okay?



Date: 2006-02-08 03:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] permetaform
Hello! I couldn't find your email or how to contact you moderator-to-moderator so I thought you wouldn't mind me leaving a comment.

I was just wondering if I might crosspost a monthly summary of the community vidder_weekly on your community songvids? We don't wish to spam your flist, so we'd be crossposting in various vid communites on staggered days (instead of all on one day).

Here's an example of what would be posted:

The most recent newsletter will be uncut, the rest will be hidden behind cut-tags by issue. For instance:

The mods at vidder_weekly perfectly understand if you don't wish your community to have vidder_weekly posts and if you don't reply we will not post in your community.

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